426 Stroker Price & Price Change announcement from Power Ported Performance

[XCITsNU]

POWER PORTED PERFORMANCE ANNOUNCES:

426 STROKER PRICING OPTIONS!!!



426-New Hemi Street Legend Stroker Crate Engine

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· Fully Prepped 6.1 block
· Billet Main Caps
· ARP Main & Head Studs
· 4340 Crank (4.050 Stroke)
· H-Beam Rods (6.125)
· Mahle Coated Pistons (10.3 to 1)
· 6.1 Heads, Manley Springs & Retainers
· Fully CNC Ported (370 CFM)
· 2.08 X 1.60 Valves
· 6.1L Intake CNC Port Matched
· Outside of Intake Polished
· ATI Balancer
· Stroker Windage Tray
· Stock Pan & Pickup
New Car Optioned 426 New Hemi Legend –
(Uses stock Cam – requires upgraded injectors & Flashed PCM)

Suggested Price: $16,061.00 (Plus $10,000 Core Exchange Charge)
Actual Price – $13,693.00 (Plus $10,000 Core Exchange Charge & $375 for shippable engine stand)
NOTE: Cores are to be returned properly bolted back to the Shipping Stand and Undamaged. A 200.00 refunded credit will be returned back to the customer if the Shipping stand is undamaged.


426-New Hemi Street Legend Stroker - Assembled Short Block


THIS IS AN EASY UPGRADE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN PORTED HEADS OR...


FOR THOSE WITH 6.1L OR 5.7L VEHICLES THAT WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL


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· Machined 6.1 Block (4.080 Bore)
· Billet Main caps
· Forged 4340 Crank (4.050 Stroke)
· Forged H-Beam Rods (6.125)
· Mahle Coated Pistons (10.3 to 1)
· Rings, & Bearings
· Internal Balanced
· ARP Main Studs
· Stroker Windage Tray for 426 Short Block
· Assembled

Suggested Price: $6,267.00
Actual Price – $5,697.00 (Plus $1,000 Core Exchange Charge &
$375 for shippable engine stand)
NOTE: Cores are to be returned Undamaged and properly bolted back to the Shipping Stand. A 200.00 refunded credit will be returned back to the customer if the Shipping stand is undamaged.



426-New Hemi Street Legend Rotating Kit

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· 4340 Crank (4.050 Stroke)
· H-Beam Rods (6.125)
· Mahle Coated Pistons (10.3 to 1)
· Rings, & Bearings
· Internal Balanced

Suggested: $2,961.0
Actual Price – $2,692.00


WE ARE NOW ACCEPTING DEPOSITS FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF ORDERS.
THESE WILL BE THE FIRST TO SHIP OUT.
PLEASE CONTACT ME DIRECTLY FOR DETAILS



IMPORTANT: PRICE CHANGE ANNOUCEMENT

[B]DUE TO ACTUAL INCREASED COSTS, THE FOLLOWING PRICES WILL BE IN EFFECT AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2007.



5.7 / 6.1 CNC Port Heads Only (Send us your 5.7/6.1 Heads to be ported)

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5 Axis CNC Porting INTAKE & EXHAUST PORTS
Priority Valve Job
New Seals
Disassembled & Reconditioned & ReassembledSuggested Pricing: $1,736.00
Actual New Price – $1,548.00


6.1L Head Kit: Includes all Upgrades



Fully CNC Ported 6.1 Castings
2.08 x 1.60 Valves (370 CFM)
Priority Valve Job
Titanium Retainers
Viton Valve Seals
Thermal Insulator Intake Gaskets
Polished Bee Hive Springs
5/16 Chrome Moly Push Rods
Fully AssembledSuggested Pricing: $2,436.00
Actual New Price – $2,215.00 (Plus $1,200 Core Exchange Charge)



6.1L Factory CNC'd Manifold Includes:


PROVIDES 17 TO 18 MORE CFMs @.5/.6 LIFT

CNC port Match
Blend Plenum Opening
Blend Injector Area
Disassemble and Reassemble IntakeSuggested Pricing: $825.00
No change: Actual Price – $750.00 (Plus $1,000 Core Exchange Charge)


Polished Intake Manifold

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Show Polish Outside of IntakeSuggested Pricing: $880.00
No change: Actual Price – $800.00 (Plus $1,000 Core Exchange Charge)


5.7L Head Kit: Includes all Upgrades

Fully CNC Ported 5.7 Castings
2.00 x 1.55 Valves (327 CFM)
Priority Valve Job
Titanium Retainers
Viton Valve Seals
Thermal Insulator Intake Gaskets
Polished Bee Hive Springs
5/16 Chrome Moly Push Rods
Fully AssembledSuggested Pricing: $2,236.00
Actual New Price – $2,015.00 (Plus $1,050.00 Core Exchange Charge)

[XCITsNU]

What the approx labor cost to remove motor and install your stroker motor?

Hello thank you for the question.

For a fully qualified shop, plan on about 16-18 hours of labor for the Crate motor, and about 20-22 hours of labor for the short block, plus Ported Heads / Intake route.

See here for a few other good questions.

is that first number a straight swap out for a 5.7 charger? or do you need a 6.1 core exchange?

Thanks for the great question. The first number does not include the core charge, which would be $10,000 for the fully prepped 426 block or a combined core charge of $3,200 for a short block, Heads and Intake. See below for a similar question answered on 300cforums.

We will also be offering an economy 426 using 5.7L heads later in 2007, so there will be some upgrade options for the 5.7 crowd to get to the 426 and of course there is always the option of a 392 Stroker, which comes in at $5,672.00 for a short block outright purchase. The block isn't worth the shipping costs to send it back so Outright is the only option for the 392 Short blocks. We also have a 392 Long Block for $8,945.00 plus a $2,000.00 core charge. It DOES NOT include the Oil Pan & Pick Up, Intake and Fuel System, Wiring Harness & Sensors, Front Cover & DRives, Valve Covers & Coils, or a Balancer. Hopefully this helps shed some light on the options for the 5.7 crowd.

Hi just a little confused about the $10,000 core charge, maybe I am a simple canadian, are we talking $13,693.00 plus my current 6.1 Hemi (PPP - YES) or are we talking $13,693.00 without my 6.1 Hemi, so if I send my 6.1 Hemi and $3,693.00 I get a 426 Hemi!!! (PPP - Uh, good try, but just to be clear, NO) or do you want $13,693.00 and $10,000 if I keep my 6.1 Hemi? (PPP - YES) Are you saying that my current 6.1 Hemi is worth $10,000? (PPP - That is what it is worth to us to provide you with a fully assembled 426 Stroker Motor)

Please help your confused simple canadian, eh I have to work in Kilometers, do you know how often I divide by 1.61 and multiply by .6214! to get miles! Every fricking time, I see 171 it comes out 275.185.... km! Thank God for the digitally working EVIC speedo!

Thank you for the great questions. Essentially a complete 6.1L engine is almost as easy to get as a boulder from the moon, or the winning lottery numbers before the draw. In other words, its almost impossible to get a full engine assembly. Believe me, we have been gathering them since April in anticipation of this release and are fortunate to have what we do have, in order to offer a core exchange program that will benefit you. With a core, we can install a 426 in roughly 2 days and send you back on the road happily trying to keep from exceeding the speed limit, while giggling uncontrollably at the thought of the launch from next red light.

The price for a 426 Stroker Crate motor is the $13k USD plus the $10k USD core charge, which will be refunded when your engine assembly is returned undamaged and is verified as such. This price also includes a engine dyno of your new Stroker Motor.

The reason the core charge is so high is because we / you cannot get the individual parts to put a fully assembled engine together, nor can we/ you now get a fully assembled engine already put together due to the very recent (last 30 days) full lock down by DCX on 6.1L components.

The more economical route is to get the short block at $5,697.00, and the ported Heads/Intake for $2,965 for a total of $8,662.00 (plus the combined $3,200 core charges) and get the 426 Windage Tray for $150, the 426 cometic Head Gaskets for $199 and reuse the stock balancer. Then pay the installation to have the front of the engine switched over with all your sensors and the Stroker components assembled and TA DA! You've got yourself a 426 Stroker for less money.

There are a few other areas to consider to fuly round out this package like the 426 PCM Flash for $695.00 and the larger Injectors for $495.00 but essentially the injectors are 42 lbs, so if you can source them cheaper and trust that they are flow matched then you can probalby save some money there too.

Hope this helps clarify things and thanks again for the great question.


Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[1BAD4DR]

Jeremy, Thanks for the Quotes and answers. it is a stand up character of you to share to the guys a more economical route to build the 426.......

Thanks for all you do and best wishes for the New Year.

[1fastsedan]

Wow. Thank you Jeremy for your tireless effort to bring this to market. I definitely see this in my future, likely purchasing in parts (unless I hit the lottery or a rich family member dies), but coming. That damn responsibility and all. Actually what I really want to see is a VERY large box showing up, my wife red in face and fuming while I'm in a 426 daze not hearing a word she says, and a week's vacation to install it.

[XCITsNU]

I made a mistake on the 5.7L Head pricing and wanted to let people know the price and information has been adjusted.

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[Hemi31]

Jeremy,
Do you have a pic of the thermal intake gaskets and what would the price of those be by themselves?

[1BAD4DR]

Jeremy,
Do you have a pic of the thermal intake gaskets and what would the price of those be by themselves?

yes, and how much lower will the Intake temp be?

[XCITsNU]

I don't have a picture with me, but they are $26.00 per set, but we have a minimum $40.00 purchase requirement and there is a $10 handling charge on top of shipping. The test we ran showed about a 6-8 degree difference which could be anything, but even if it equates to even 1 HP (too hard to accurately measure) it is the cheapest HP increase that I can think of.

[TNCHARGER]

Jeremy, Thanks for the Quotes and answers. it is a stand up character of you to share to the guys a more economical route to build the 426.......

Thanks for all you do and best wishes for the New Year.

My feelings also Ron...Jeremy has proved to be real stand up guy for us SRT nuts..:smiley_thumbs_up: .BTW..we need to get him as a vendor for another place also..:icon_cool:

[Hemi31]

I don't have a picture with me, but they are $26.00 per set, but we have a minimum $40.00 purchase requirement and there is a $10 handling charge on top of shipping. The test we ran showed about a 6-8 degree difference which could be anything, but even if it equates to even 1 HP (too hard to accurately measure) it is the cheapest HP increase that I can think of.
Might as well just raise the price to $60

[XCITsNU]

Might as well just raise the price to $60

Would it be worthwhile to get a Group Buy going?

[Hemi31]

Would it be worthwhile to get a Group Buy going?I don't know Jeremy,but I will make my own before spending the extra money on handling fees and such.If there is enough interest for a group buy at the $26.00 price count me in.

[Buck70]

Would it be worthwhile to get a Group Buy going?

Jeremy
I see the reason for a minimum order, just from the cost of doing business, so why not package it with something useful for the balance. Like maybe a dipstick, a chrome oil filler cap or something like that.

There will likely be a lot of us doing piecemeal strokers and looking for less than the whole kit. And the usual few wanting something for nothing, and you doing all the R&D for free.

Your kit looks well thought out, and a decent value but out of the price range of a portion of our members here to pony up all @ one time.

And a few like myself that have slightly different goals for the schedule and the end product, but would love to buy some of the parts @ a fair price.

DB

[Hemi31]

There will likely be a lot of us doing piecemeal strokers and looking for less than the whole kit. And the usual few wanting something for nothing, and you doing all the R&D for free.
I sure hope that wasn't directed at me!I don't mind paying for the part...but tossing money away just to make a minimum purchase price is like throwing money away as far as I am concerned.
Now I agree with bundling it with another part but I can't think of many that would be usefull with it for someone just looking to insulate the intake from heat.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

I sure hope that wasn't directed at me!I don't mind paying for the part...but tossing money away just to make a minimum purchase price is like throwing money away as far as I am concerned.
Now I agree with bundling it with another part but I can't think of many that would be usefull with it for someone just looking to insulate the intake from heat.

I agree. Are they $26 + shipping or $50 + shipping?

The spacers alone are good at getting heat out of the intake and maybe an upgrade many of us will want to do regardless if we are doing heads and porting.

I'm also not too keen on the price increase on the heads. With Franks Racing offering heads below the original PPP price, what are we to do now? Makes it hard to go with a stand up guy when he's less competitve than before. Explain the $2215 vs $1650 difference so I can make a decision on who to go with please?

[XCITsNU]

This is a valid question, so I want to help provide a degree of understanding to those that might be confused.

The numbers you posted; $2215 vs. $1650 is not an apple to apple comparison. The $2215 reflects 6.1L Heads with all the upgrades. Previously the comparative price was $1881 for the same end product. That end product, Ported 6.1L Heads, was being sold in 2006 at the 5.7L Ported Heads price point. This is a very important point to understand. I was providing a product at an extremely reduced price. The original price was going to be closer to $2,000.00 for just the porting work. But thankfully that wasn't the price that had to go to market in 2006.

Please keep in mind that these Heads were developed by Indy Heads for Power Ported Performance and nothing was held back in the development of a product line worthy of the caliber of that name and pedigree. These products are top of the line, using the best high tech equipment in their development, from icons in the high horse power performance industry.

To add even further perspective, let me share some example prices for products that are along the same lines of well proven performance and quality that goes behind the Power Ported Performance products:

Indy Aluminum Head (CNC intake opening & bowl port) - $1,785.00
440-EZ Aluminum (Upgraded Springs) - $2095.00
MaxxWedge Aluminum Head Kit (pushrods & Intake Plate & Gaskets) - $2305.00
Indy Aluminum Head (Fully CNC ported 295) - $2,625.00
440-EZ 295CNC Aluminum Heads (Upgraded Springs) - $2,935.00
295 CNC Aluminum Head Kit (pushrods, manifold, rocker assem., covers, gaskets) - $4375.00

Now let’s look at the 6.1L CNC package at $2,215.00...

6.1L CNC Ported Heads: Includes all Upgrades:
Full Premium CNC port of Intake & Exhaust & Bowl port, 5 Angle Priority Valve Job, Upgraded Manley Polished BeeHive Springs, Upgraded Manley 4340 Chrome Moly Pushrods, Viton Ultra Valve Seals, Titanium Retainers, and Thermal Insulator Intake Manifold Gaskets

AND yet still going into 2007, we are offering an incredible deal for the quality of product delivered, which again, includes all the upgrades.

Now to explain the cost increases a little more. They reflect the costs of the Porting of the Heads going up and the cost increase from the pricing for the “upgrades” going up. As an industry, you will see these components on an individual level go up in early 2007 from the individual manufacturers. The increases are less of a hard ship to justify now, at the beginning of the year, rather than shortly into the New Year when this begins to become more evident across the general performance product market. Please don't mistake that for easy, as I truly want to offer the best product for the best price.

Unfortunately I will have to accept that even though our products are developed with the highest degree of quality, and therefore truly are best caliber, they may no longer be the cheapest priced. Metals and especially fabricating costs are going up across the board. The price of doing business in this industry has increased exponentially over the last few years. We are seeing this everywhere; it is just beginning to show its face to the general public. In simple terms I am forced to pass on the price increases that are being passed on to me as they are being passed on to the manufacturers, distributors, resellers and unfortunately, eventually to the customers investing in performance parts.

I can only promise that I will do my best to give you the most satisfying and rewarding experience from the hard earned money you spend. Time and time again, the products I have worked very hard to bring to market have proven themselves at the track, the Dyno and most importantly in my and my customers every day sporty driving experiences. I hope I can continue to help others get the same results. I am working on some really cool things for 2007, so I hope that counts for something when related to cost of products. And there is a cost involved, and I actually do have to make at least a little more than below break even to continue along the increasingly costly path of innovation. I don’t have the overhead of a large shop, but I do have the costs of development, advertising, travel to all the relevant industry events and the many giveaways and sponsored vehicles I have done this last year out of my own pocket, before ever really making any money from the business.

So how can the prices be made easier to bear? There are a few options to make this easier. If you can source the upgraded components now, before the cost increases appear across the general market and ship them out to us, with your Stock Heads already disassembled, then the cost of labor and the components goes down. This will save money. Believe me I want to help everyone get affordable performance upgrades, which is the core of why I started this company.

It is my hope that the quality of development and the end results will be enough to drive customers to Power Ported Performance and not away, based simply on price alone. Hopefully my commitment to the average, everyday enthusiast, together with the caliber and quality of products and the degree of passion I feel for customer service along with delivering innovative performance products will ultimately drive customers seeking durability along with performance for their horse power upgrades to Power Ported Performance. That commitment reflected int he fact that on this day, my 9th wedding anniversary and the fact that it is New Years Eve, I am sitting here typing this message in hopes that everyone will understand why the prices are what they are.

God Bless everyone and here is to a Happy and prosperous new year for everyone.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Steinman

[TNCHARGER]

Happy anniversary & new year Jeremy.....price is not the only factor to consider...I spent several weeks researching the CNC heads from several vendors...I choose PPP not for price (he was not the cheapest) but for quality & customer service based on past customer comments...I would still pay this higher price if I did not have them already...

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Thanks for the thorough and detailed response. This will help imensely in my choice in early 2007. I've been leaning PPP and this further supports that feeling as the right way to go. I just wanted to understand the pricing differences. We'll talk some later in the year.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Hey do you still offer that video how-to on the install? If so, is there a charge and what is it?

[XCITsNU]

Hey do you still offer that video how-to on the install? If so, is there a charge and what is it?

Thanks for another great question!

So in celebration of the new year, all those who invest in Power Ported Performance Heads and Intake and are doing their own installation, will receive a copy of the installation walk through DVD. This is a $195.00 saving over the regular cost of this valuable step by step coverage of how to uninstall your stock cores and install your Power Ported Performance Heads and Intake.

And also in the spirit of the new year, anyone wanting to order the Thernal Insulator Intake Gaskets can do so without the additional costs of a handling fee. I have decided to order 10 sets on Tuesday so that I can have these available for those who, despite my best efforts may have purchased their Heads from another provider. I hope I can win your business for future performance upgrades as well. Of course for those who are considering Ported Heads now, I hope I can also win your business with these types of added incentives.

Best wishes for 2007,

Jeremy Steinman

[grmreaper]

I sure hope that wasn't directed at me!I don't mind paying for the part...but tossing money away just to make a minimum purchase price is like throwing money away as far as I am concerned.
Now I agree with bundling it with another part but I can't think of many that would be usefull with it for someone just looking to insulate the intake from heat.



I thought I was the only 1 who ate pennies and shit quarters. Im so tight with my money I squeak when I walk.

[Hemi31]

I thought I was the only 1 who ate pennies and shit quarters. Im so tight with my money I squeak when I walk.
Man I never used to be like that but as tight as things are these days it's the only way I can stay in this hobby without workin 3 jobs!

[XCITsNU]

Man I never used to be like that but as tight as things are these days it's the only way I can stay in this hobby without workin 3 jobs!

See post #20. Hopefully that helps.

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[Buck70]

[QUOTE=Hemi31;56397]I sure hope that wasn't directed at me!


NOPE
Not refering to anyone in particular, I have just seen a few posts over the years on forums where some posters obviously have no concept of the cost of doing business. Or are so sure the world owes them that it amazes me how cheeky they can be.

DB

[1fast400]

Thought I'd add my .02 about Indy Cylinder Head. They built the motor in my Viper truck (10.88 at 126mph) and I've been real pleased with their work. They have some incredible cnc equipment and the quality of their products is top notch. I have an SRT8M and I can't decide which way to go with it. I'm going to wait around till someone really figures out how to tune these things. Then I'll go with the forged 426 and throw twin turbo's on it. This assumes we can figure out how to keep the rest of the drive line from exploding.

Mike McCandless

[XCITsNU]

Thank you Mike. Man, where have you been??? We need to catchup.

Anyway, Power Ported Performance has tuning today for these motors to work with a twin turbo setup. As a matter of fact we have a turbo system that is currently in the manufacturing phase, and we should have products ready for order / ship in the very near future.